>Italy has an administrative blocking mechanism and a technical blocking platform, Piracy Shield, operated by rightsholders in the private sector.
>There’s almost zero transparency and any information of any use is routinely withheld from the public, even when that information relates directly to the public. People who demand access to information are routinely ignored, even punished.
Students (at least in Italy) often relies on notes on Google Drive, I laughed hard when on reddit one commenter said:
"too bad I can't study this weekend, but fortunately I enjoyed watching a pirate soccer streaming!"
You don't block an entire tram line just because there are pickpockets on board some trams
The "solutions" implemented here in Italy are not solutions, but abominations imho
Or the apartment bombings debacle, where the GRU and FSB launched false flag bombing attacks against it's own citizens. Several of them were arrested by police planting bombs. At one point a Duma representative denounced 'breaking news' of an attack by 'terrorists' in a specific location 3 days before it actually happened.
It was pretty fucked up for the government to not coordinate an antidote with hospitals, but other than that, can anybody really be sure that another approach would have resulted in fewer hostage casualties? The terrorists had the whole place rigged with bombs. Considering the circumstance I think the gas was a pretty good idea with a poor followup.
This is how we get to big brother 1984 status. Slowly and gradually in the name of public safety. First you limit information deemed “harmful”, next you make it illegal, then you use your powers to make your own rules.
With the corporate control structure, it looks like we’re heading more towards Neuromancer or Brave New World than 1984. I guess we’ll have to wait and see.
Relatedly, Backblaze b2 is routinely blocked by corporate IT (and even Chrome's anti-malware list from time to time) for similar "bad neighbour" reasons.
It's bad enough that you basically have to stick a reverse proxy in front of it to reliably serve content at scale.
Let's hope they just keep doing what they're doing, it's a great way to get the public to call for tearing down this ugly censorship^Wanti-piracy system.
Football ultras/supporter clubs serve the mafia as a drug dispatch network and easy basin for street soldiers -> mafia has all the interest for the football business to thrive, because it is deep into it -> this government was built with mafia's consent and is eager to please it -> stupid measures to prevent a loss on football's profits.
All this ignoring that the average football fan is just tired of the constant shitshow the sport is offering.
Besides, this demonstrates the abyssal ignorance on how internet works by whoever is making the rules, this is not only easily eluded, but blocking whole IPs without the knowledge of whatever service may be behind is asinine. This not even the first incident, only the most visible.
In my experience, a specific service in "The cloud" has an uptime similar to a single raspberry pi. Some services are more reliable, maybe upto three-nines.
If you design your systems as such - expecting them to fail, then using "the cloud" is fine. If a VM running in AWS goes down, fine, the ones in hertzner continue to work.
There's levels of availability you need -- what services can go down, in what geographic location, and for how long (do you need to go sub-second from all geographic locations? Because I'm not sure you can do that in any situations. On the other extreme are you happy with a TTL of 60 and failover to another IP, which barely counts as available in my book)
More like crazy censorship that masquerades as anti piracy measures are incredibly short sighted measures by dumb governments that just hurt the honest users.
Pretty sure the pirates are all laughing their ass cheeks off right now.
If your connection to your private cloud passes through public internet, all bets are off. I don't think all companies have their private clouds at the basement level, completely owned data centers, connected via edge switches near the water cooler.
Italy (and many other European countries) could be great and wealthy countries once again, if only it wasn't for the witless bureaucrats in charge. The only thing we seem to be innovative at is coming up with ridiculous amounts of useless regulation.
The funny thing is that in the USA there’s effectively a two party system and people complain. Then in Europe there’s a parliamentary system that produces the opposite result with too many many parties.
Sometimes I wonder if we could just tweak the game theory behind our constitutions and get a healthier mix of the two it would solve a lot of problems.
>Italy has an administrative blocking mechanism and a technical blocking platform, Piracy Shield, operated by rightsholders in the private sector.
>There’s almost zero transparency and any information of any use is routinely withheld from the public, even when that information relates directly to the public. People who demand access to information are routinely ignored, even punished.
Imagine selling out your country this bad.
Students (at least in Italy) often relies on notes on Google Drive, I laughed hard when on reddit one commenter said: "too bad I can't study this weekend, but fortunately I enjoyed watching a pirate soccer streaming!"
>"too bad I can't study this weekend"
No student ever said this unironically :)
You don't block an entire tram line just because there are pickpockets on board some trams The "solutions" implemented here in Italy are not solutions, but abominations imho
Nah you fill it up with poison gas because you don’t negotiate with terrorists.
If anyone misses the reference. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_theater_hostage_crisis
Or the apartment bombings debacle, where the GRU and FSB launched false flag bombing attacks against it's own citizens. Several of them were arrested by police planting bombs. At one point a Duma representative denounced 'breaking news' of an attack by 'terrorists' in a specific location 3 days before it actually happened.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Russian_apartment_bombing...
"Ryazan sugar" is worth a search by itself.
This is widely regarded as putin's move to consolidate power.
What the fuck
It was pretty fucked up for the government to not coordinate an antidote with hospitals, but other than that, can anybody really be sure that another approach would have resulted in fewer hostage casualties? The terrorists had the whole place rigged with bombs. Considering the circumstance I think the gas was a pretty good idea with a poor followup.
People in the west still completely unaware what Russians really are:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslan_school_siege
This is why all their slavic neighbours don't treat them as equals.
So police should not close entire co-consignment flea market if a stall is found selling drugs there?
Correct. A single stall is a single stall.
This isn't a good analogy because the people being pickpocketed and the people on the trams are the same people.
A better analogy is blocking the tram line because it interferes with some guy's antiquated business model.
This is how we get to big brother 1984 status. Slowly and gradually in the name of public safety. First you limit information deemed “harmful”, next you make it illegal, then you use your powers to make your own rules.
With the corporate control structure, it looks like we’re heading more towards Neuromancer or Brave New World than 1984. I guess we’ll have to wait and see.
Relatedly, Backblaze b2 is routinely blocked by corporate IT (and even Chrome's anti-malware list from time to time) for similar "bad neighbour" reasons.
It's bad enough that you basically have to stick a reverse proxy in front of it to reliably serve content at scale.
Let's hope they just keep doing what they're doing, it's a great way to get the public to call for tearing down this ugly censorship^Wanti-piracy system.
This is just the beginning. Read the DSA (Digital Services Act), where private companies will be able to take down any content or comment.
There's been surprisingly little discussion about the DSA. The brussels corporate lobbyists really earned their salaries with that one.
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Earlier:
Italy's Piracy Shield just blocked one of Google's CDN
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41890460
Football ultras/supporter clubs serve the mafia as a drug dispatch network and easy basin for street soldiers -> mafia has all the interest for the football business to thrive, because it is deep into it -> this government was built with mafia's consent and is eager to please it -> stupid measures to prevent a loss on football's profits.
All this ignoring that the average football fan is just tired of the constant shitshow the sport is offering.
Besides, this demonstrates the abyssal ignorance on how internet works by whoever is making the rules, this is not only easily eluded, but blocking whole IPs without the knowledge of whatever service may be behind is asinine. This not even the first incident, only the most visible.
Source: I live in Italy and read the news.
>government getting private property snatched in transit by extending letters of marque to ISPs
Yep, that is piracy indeed, even if done under the figleaf of "privateering".
Governments and ISPs should focus on improving how things work for the public and not make things worse. Seriously. Who are you working for?
The rich?
The cloud is unreliable for mission critical systems
In my experience, a specific service in "The cloud" has an uptime similar to a single raspberry pi. Some services are more reliable, maybe upto three-nines.
If you design your systems as such - expecting them to fail, then using "the cloud" is fine. If a VM running in AWS goes down, fine, the ones in hertzner continue to work.
There's levels of availability you need -- what services can go down, in what geographic location, and for how long (do you need to go sub-second from all geographic locations? Because I'm not sure you can do that in any situations. On the other extreme are you happy with a TTL of 60 and failover to another IP, which barely counts as available in my book)
More like crazy censorship that masquerades as anti piracy measures are incredibly short sighted measures by dumb governments that just hurt the honest users.
Pretty sure the pirates are all laughing their ass cheeks off right now.
Yes this sort of thing makes public cloud unreliable for mission critical systems
Why? Dumb government censorship could also block your private cloud as well.
You're a shared tenant on a shared system. You are at the mercy of what other tenants do.
not really
If your connection to your private cloud passes through public internet, all bets are off. I don't think all companies have their private clouds at the basement level, completely owned data centers, connected via edge switches near the water cooler.
Unless you uses Onion routing, yes
Seems more to be the case that the internet will have to route around Italy.
At some point google should consider offering a VPN service :)
I just discovered that they discontinued their VPN back on June 20th.
Somehow, I am not surprised.
Malicious compliance at its best :)
This feels very similar to the Indian government constantly blocking and unblocking GitHub’s “raw” content domain.
https://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/technology/act-fibernet-un...
Crazy.
Italy (and many other European countries) could be great and wealthy countries once again, if only it wasn't for the witless bureaucrats in charge. The only thing we seem to be innovative at is coming up with ridiculous amounts of useless regulation.
There's a reason they are called the least of the great powers.
Isn't Italy also the poster child for an unstable parliamentary system?
The funny thing is that in the USA there’s effectively a two party system and people complain. Then in Europe there’s a parliamentary system that produces the opposite result with too many many parties.
Sometimes I wonder if we could just tweak the game theory behind our constitutions and get a healthier mix of the two it would solve a lot of problems.
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